Curse

Aera Lure · Jun 16, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

/not signed

It actually encourages the formation of a human group if you want a party rife with these skills. This is a good thing. Its not like you need the skills on hero bars to complete hard mode by any stretch. This is a reward for players to use, not heroes.

I've actually retired all my other characters, save my monk, due to the fact that I dont want to micromanage multiple sets of heroes equipment, runes, etc. Its already a pain with just the one set. They should have been implemented globally imho, but I digress. That being the case, I'll never use most of the new skills as a monk primary, unless I had the ability to put them on a hero, but even still I wont sign for it.

Draikin · Jun 16, 2007, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Mouse at Large

how is it going to ruin the game? .....zomg koss is using LB gaze run for your lives!!1!!!!!1!1!11!11!!!!!1ElEvEnTyOnE!!!!1!!!

I'm going to be honest here: certain skills like Necrosis (and certainly Cry Of Pain) would probably be extremely effective on heroes, since we've seen what they can do with Discord. Even though I don't like the fact that heroes are the scapegoat once again for what basically is a lack of people playing the game, I do somewhat understand the reasoning behind making these skills exclusive to real players. It will effectively encourage people from joining PuGs if heroes can't use them. However, if they don't let heroes use these skills then they should really reconsider about letting us replace henches with heroes. Because with these skills, no matter how bad the player is they will still be of some use: for example if they just sit there and spam Necrosis they will still be doing some damage and not end up being completely useless like they often do now. So in my opinion Anet's reasoning for not allowing 7 heroes should be reviewed, since now just about anyone can be better than a hero as long as they have PvE only skills.

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Originally Posted by Mouse at Large

Fact of the matter is that these skills are simply not good pugging incentive, since these skills are far from essential.

By calling them not essential, you're not exactly giving them a good reason to allow these skills for heroes

It's true, they aren't essential. However, they are good enough a reason to take a random player with you instead of heroes now. I do however find it unfair that we are unable to replace henches with heroes and unable to use PvE only skills on our heroes. At least one of them should be possible.

blue.rellik · Jun 16, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

/notsigned

Because the skills are already powerful. It would make it far too easy

Draikin · Jun 16, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Because the skills are already powerful. It would make it far too easy

Following that reasoning I would suggest we remove these PvE only skills from the game, they make the game too easy for 8 real players. /sarcasm

darkknightkain · Jun 16, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

/signed

Extra options for players to choose from is always a good thing.

For anyone who doesn't want to use the new skills, just don't equip it! How simple is that!

ArKaiN · Jun 16, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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how is it going to ruin the game? .....zomg koss is using LB gaze run for your lives!!1!!!!!1!1!11!11!!!!!1ElEvEnTyOnE!!!!1!!!

Some people have no imagination.
4 LB gazes at the same time at LB 5 = 400 holy damage on 6 different foes+interrupt them all. Its basically a better, half recharge, instant meteor shower. I call that "overpowered".

darkknightkain · Jun 16, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

Some people have no imagination.
4 LB gazes at the same time at LB 5 = 400 holy damage on 6 different foes+interrupt them all. Its basically a better, half recharge, instant meteor shower. I call that "overpowered".

LOL. You can do the exact same thing ... /w 4 players?!!

Heroes or not, is not even relevant in your argument.

The only thing that can prevent something THAT is to have anet limits so that only the leader in the whole party can equip pve skills..

unienaule · Jun 16, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

If ever people in this game took longer than a day to whine about a new update that added awesome skills, I would crap my pants.

Aphraelyn · Jun 16, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

Sometimes I really wonder why ANet continue to add additional stuff. If they hadn't introduced these new skills at all, there would be no complaining at all. Not whatsoever. Nope, but everytime ANet adds something new, you can count on people finding something to whine and bitch about on the forums.

Now seriously, if ANet had not announced new PvE skills, would you even have considered it and complain about there being no PvE skills? I...highly doubt that.

Anyway /notsigned (Surprise Surprise?)

If a group wants to...risk...PuGing, they should get the advantage, especially since their monk could secretly bring in healing breeze after the leader has asked them to ping their bar...oh wait...

If you're gonna say how guild groups get the advantage this way...get a guild.

Want it on your heroes? Personally, I'd say go play WoW.

((But seriously people, ask yourselves. If all ANet gets after doing a free update is bitching and whining, do you think they'll do it often? Personally, I think I'd do more free updates if I was getting thanks for it rather than this. Yes folks, this is a free update, you did not pay for this =P If you're gonna whine about ANet not doing enough free updates, I think it's time you considered why they should. Flame away.))

bhavv · Jun 16, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Aphraelyn, I as well as 75% of the forum community (on GWO) have been complaining a long time to make hero teams better able for HM. We would still be complaining about this even if PVE only skills hadnt been added to the game, in other ways like improve henchmen e.t.c.

There is absolutely no valid reason so far why these skills should not be usable by heroes. Pugging is something the majority of skilled players will not do for a very good reason.

And regardless of how good a guild you are in, you are not going to be able to make a team of 8 players to do whatever you want,when you want.

Gli · Jun 16, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

I must be pretty frigging daft, because I really can't see how asking for a new feature constitutes bitching and whining. But it must be, because even a mod says so, mmm? I must be a real dumbass.

Bryant Again · Jun 16, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Aphraelyn

Sometimes I really wonder why ANet continue to add additional stuff. If they hadn't introduced these new skills at all, there would be no complaining at all. Not whatsoever. Nope, but everytime ANet adds something new, you can count on people finding something to whine and bitch about on the forums.

Now seriously, if ANet had not announced new PvE skills, would you even have considered it and complain about there being no PvE skills? I...highly doubt that.

People are complaining that they're not able to use these skills for Heros. However, peoeple were also complaining that the skills weren't even implemented yet. Meaning, ANet can't win over these forums. Fortunately, the PvE community here is a very poor representation of it, so I don't think they'd care if they made us happy or not.

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Originally Posted by Aphraelyn

((But seriously people, ask yourselves. If all ANet gets after doing a free update is bitching and whining, do you think they'll do it often? Personally, I think I'd do more free updates if I was getting thanks for it rather than this. Yes folks, this is a free update, you did not pay for this =P If you're gonna whine about ANet not doing enough free updates, I think it's time you considered why they should. Flame away.))

Agreed. However, you're never going to be able to convince forum QQ'rs to be appreciative.

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Originally Posted by Gli

I must be pretty frigging daft, because I really can't see how asking for a new feature constitutes bitching and whining. But it must be, because even a mod says so, mmm? I must be a real dumbass.

Yeah, looking back I've only seen a couple of posts that qualify as "whining". Oh boys.

Aphraelyn · Jun 16, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

So why don't you keep asking them to improve henchies rather than ask for these new skills to be usable by heroes? Ah right, because these skills are so overpowered that giving them to heroes would be better than improving henchies? Of course, I agree with you 100% there, not being sarcastic at all.

Yeah...I guess it's probably best if these skills were usable by heroes...ANet, WTB Extreme Mode for some actual difficulty now please?

Bryant Again · Jun 16, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Aphraelyn

So why don't you keep asking them to improve henchies rather than ask for these new skills to be usable by heroes? A would be better than improving henchies?

We're not asking them because we've already asked them hundreds of times. One could say "if they're not going to improve the Hero AI, then at least let them use Sunspear Skills".

bhavv · Jun 16, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Aphraelyn

So why don't you keep asking them to improve henchies rather than ask for these new skills to be usable by heroes?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10162006

Been there, done that, Gaile posted saying its a good idea suggesting they really would implement it.

The Jokes on us because they still couldnt care less.

Artdeux · Jun 16, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Hero's can only use skills that are unlocked on the account. The PvE skills are never really unlocked, so eh.

Anyway:
/notsigned due to my hate of Heros.

Aphraelyn · Jun 17, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by bhavv

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10162006

Been there, done that, Gaile posted saying its a good idea suggesting they really would implement it.

The Jokes on us because they still couldnt care less.

Now, there wouldn't be that thread and the other 1000 threads like it if they hadn't added hard mode for free, now would there?

Longasc · Jun 17, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

These skills make things already braindead easy. 1 Person is enough, a party with these skills is insane.

We do not need to give them to heroes, too. It is already overkill.

We are killing our own game and gaming experience by making the game super easy.

majoho · Jun 17, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Nah, better not

(even though I solo 99% of the time)

darktyco · Jun 17, 2007, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Aphraelyn

If a group wants to...risk...PuGing, they should get the advantage, especially since their monk could secretly bring in healing breeze after the leader has asked them to ping their bar...oh wait...

What does this have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by Aphraelyn

If you're gonna say how guild groups get the advantage this way...get a guild.

Guild groups almost always have many advantages, but that has nothing to do with the topic of giving heroes the PvE only skills.

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Originally Posted by Aphraelyn

Want it on your heroes? Personally, I'd say go play WoW.

This doesn't even make sense. Does WoW have heroes? Does Wow even have skillbars?

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Originally Posted by Aphraelyn

((But seriously people, ask yourselves. If all ANet gets after doing a free update is bitching and whining, do you think they'll do it often? Personally, I think I'd do more free updates if I was getting thanks for it rather than this. Yes folks, this is a free update, you did not pay for this =P If you're gonna whine about ANet not doing enough free updates, I think it's time you considered why they should. Flame away.))

The point of this thread was to request an update to the skills that allows heroes to equip them. ANet has specifically mentioned that they will be taking feedback and updating the skills as needed. Please refrain from any more posts like this that are completely off-topic and basically consist of whining about other posters.